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May 26, 2003
Response
I found this comment in response to the post I had written about the animals being beaten to death at the local zoo.
(exact quote)
i think that all of you should take time and think about what you are saying.. i kno m*atthew R*onneberg on a personal level and he is a good person.. yeah he killed birds. he will be punished for that but there is no need to say that you are goin to kill him.. he is 18, but take one look at him and you will see that he is still a little boy. he is pollite, kind, and an amazing person i love him with all of my heart, if you peopel got a chance to kno him you would feel the same.. i think that you guys are hippocrites for sayin you wanted to kill him. besides do two wrongs make a right? no i dont think so.. use your brains guys and your hearts n you will find some compassion for Matthew and these (men)God Bless Them.
Patti
Since Patti didn't leave an email address for me, I will post my response here:
Patti -
I cannot even believe you expect to find any sympathy for M*atthew (or his moronic friends) here. What he participated in is unexcusable. What a pathetic and cowardly thing to do - picking on and killing defenseless animals. Animals that were removed from abusive situations and brought to the Popcorn Park Zoo so they could be safe. I am sorry that you know him on a personal level. How embarrassing for you. Ask yourself this: Did he stop and think, at any time what he was doing was wrong? Did he stop his friends? Did you even read the charges against them? They brutally attacked those birds, beating them with a rake, shovel and a PVC pipe. Most of the birds were BEATEN to death. Two birds had to be euthanized for God's sake.
I learned not to hit people and animals when I was 3 or 4 years old. He is a grown man and he must pay for his crimes. Not only is he accused of killing these birds at the zoo, he also has charges against him for:
setting fire to a wood shed and golf cart
spray painting swastikas on a paint ball business
shattering windows at a Roman Catholic church
AND
the killing of a domestic goose at Wells Mills Park in Waretown.
This is more than 2 wrongs, don't you think?
I don't see when, at any time. he was being polite, kind or amazing. Maybe you could explain it to me. I wouldn't want to know him. As far as you calling me a hippocrite (which, by the way, is spelled HYPOCRITE**), I never suggested he or his friends should be killed. If you knew Christine, you would understand what she meant.
I am not going to explain myself any further. This is my blog. My space. MY opinions. Period. Don't like what I am saying? Well, move the **** along and don't look back.
**hypocrite
\Hyp"o*crite\, n. [F., fr. L. hypocrita, Gr. ? one who plays a part on the stage, a dissembler, feigner. See Hypocrisy.] One who plays a part; especially, one who, for the purpose of winning approbation of favor, puts on a fair outside seeming; one who feigns to be other and better than he is; a false pretender to virtue or piety; one who simulates virtue or piety.
The hypocrite's hope shall perish. --Job viii. 13.
I dare swear he is no hypocrite, but prays from his heart. --Shak.
Syn: Deceiver; pretender; cheat. See Dissembler.
Posted by Cate at May 26, 2003 12:03 PM
Comments
What a dumbass troll. A troll that can't spell. GAH!
Posted by: Allison at May 26, 2003 12:53 PM
Right on Kate!
This is the same kind of bullshit the parents of the teen and friends used in court, how sweet, how kind, how blah de blah. But the truth about the teen in my situation and this teen who killed the birds, is they did the crimes. They are not sweet innocent boys who love people and animals, no! they harmed things and people and animals. This stupid bitch needs to open her eyes and ears and realize that this kid killed. Studies have proven over the decades that kids who kill animals grow up to kill people. Maybe she can be his next victim.
Posted by: kat at May 26, 2003 01:07 PM
What Kat said. The troll is probably his girlfriend or similar apologist.
The scary thing for me is how people capable of such personal atrocity can also summon the charisma to draw weakhearted fools like this Patti person.
Or for that matter Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy.
Posted by: Rich at May 26, 2003 01:23 PM
I only HOPE that dear Patti knows that Jeffrey Dahmer started out killing animals.... I think she should re-think her friendship!!
Way to tell her Kate!
Posted by: Maria at May 26, 2003 01:41 PM
Whoot! Whoot! You GO Kate!
Posted by: Susan at May 26, 2003 04:14 PM
Well.. even Ted Bundy had friends. What a shame. Me & mine (2 teens) are still shocked, saddened and appalled at what these "men" did. These actions in no way demonstrate a polite, kind or amazing "little boy" & I, for one, am thankful that I haven't had the chance to meet him.
Posted by: Dyane at May 26, 2003 04:18 PM
"Little boy", my ass! An 18-year-old is a GROWN MAN! This is a huge part of what is wrong with the world..."my sweet little Johnny wouldn't do THIS...my kind little Janie wouldn't do THAT!" It's called denial, and it ain't a river in Egypt!
And yes...it is shown that just about all mass-murderers started out killing animals. If he and his waste of DNA buddies don't feel any remorse for all they have done, they deserve to be locked up forever...before they can do anything worse. And they will, if they are allowed to run free!
How this Patti chick, or anyone else, could think this guy is a nice person, is way beyond my comprehension. She is no better than they are!
Oh, and Patti...you don't give yourself much credibility when you can't even punctuate or spell. And you are obviously a coward if you can't bother to leave an e-mail address!
Great response, Kate!
Posted by: Christine at May 26, 2003 08:16 PM
I can't even fathom the depths of idiocy to which this Patti person has sunk. Good, kind??? Killing animals for "fun" isn't good nor is it kind.
Patti needs to grow up and rethink her friendships, her ethics, and her ability to use a computer.
Posted by: Da Goddess at May 26, 2003 09:51 PM
i am sorry but when u love someone you look past things.. HE IS GOING TO BE PUNISHED! AND I THINK THAT HE SHOULD! but that dosnt mean that he is a bad person. he did a bad thing a thing that is disgusting and horrible. but i still love him more then anyone could ever know, i got a chance to know him while he stayed in school and i am not making excuses for waht he did but I STILL LOVE HIM and nothing you guys could say about him would change that. because i kno more than you and you said that you feel sorry for me. well i feel sorry for you that you didnt get to kno this WONDERFUL,AMAZING man. but i agree with you on ne part, he will be punished and not even i will say that he should get off. they should make exaples of them so no other kids will try the same stupid shit. thank you .. by the way.. my e-mail is twistedovayoo@aol.com .. so feel free!
Posted by: at May 26, 2003 10:36 PM
i am sorry but when u love someone you look past things.. HE IS GOING TO BE PUNISHED! AND I THINK THAT HE SHOULD! but that dosnt mean that he is a bad person. he did a bad thing a thing that is disgusting and horrible. but i still love him more then anyone could ever know, i got a chance to know him while he stayed in school and i am not making excuses for waht he did but I STILL LOVE HIM and nothing you guys could say about him would change that. because i kno more than you and you said that you feel sorry for me. well i feel sorry for you that you didnt get to kno this WONDERFUL,AMAZING man. but i agree with you on ne part, he will be punished and not even i will say that he should get off. they should make exaples of them so no other kids will try the same stupid shit. thank you .. by the way.. my e-mail is twistedovayoo@aol.com .. so feel free!
Posted by: at May 26, 2003 10:36 PM
i am sorry but when u love someone you look past things.. HE IS GOING TO BE PUNISHED! AND I THINK THAT HE SHOULD! but that dosnt mean that he is a bad person. he did a bad thing a thing that is disgusting and horrible. but i still love him more then anyone could ever know, i got a chance to know him while he stayed in school and i am not making excuses for waht he did but I STILL LOVE HIM and nothing you guys could say about him would change that. because i kno more than you and you said that you feel sorry for me. well i feel sorry for you that you didnt get to kno this WONDERFUL,AMAZING man. but i agree with you on ne part, he will be punished and not even i will say that he should get off. they should make exaples of them so no other kids will try the same stupid shit. thank you .. by the way.. my e-mail is twistedovayoo@aol.com .. so feel free!
Posted by: at May 26, 2003 10:37 PM
sorry i accidently sent it 3 times.. we all make mistakes
Posted by: at May 26, 2003 10:41 PM
Hey Patti,
I think you need to make better choices about the friends you keep. Your "friend" who you "love so much" is a complete asshole. Maybe you can look past random, senseless, acts of hate and violence, but most of the intelligent, caring people in the world can't.
If my own son, daughter, husband, brother, sister, or whomever committed an act as brutal and thoughtless as this, I don't think I would be able to look past it. I would keep wondering where the hatred and anger that was taken out on those animals came from and wonder who the next victim would be. Statistics prove that assholes who commit violence against animals, go on to become asshole who commit violence against people.
Posted by: Mary Carmen at May 27, 2003 07:46 AM
Kate if you need help blocking this person let me know, ok.
Posted by: Allison at May 27, 2003 09:21 AM
FUCK YEAH KATE! YOU SOOOO GOOOO GIRL.
Posted by: Tiff at May 27, 2003 10:21 AM
okay. that is my opinion and i just wanted to let ne one who cares kno that matt has been beat up in jail. he was jumped thrown under a blanket and beaten severly. he was in the hopital and is now in the medical section of the jail. i am sorry that my opinion has hurt other people and i understand where you are comming from. but i hope that someday you will understand why i feel the way i do about him. because i love so much that it hurts to hear people talk so much hurtful things towards him. it dosnt hurt him, because he cant read this but it hurts me. i kno that it was my choice to come in here and read this pole, but i was just hoping for some comfort and advice on how to deal with what i have lost. a friend who i loved so much, and loved even more than a friend all though he dosnt know that, i just wanted to give you guys the reasons to why i stand behind him so strongly. i TRULY am sorry for hurting anyone who i did by saying this. i just was looking for somewhere to turn and i guess this was the wrong spot. i am sorry, but my opinion about Matthew still stands and i hope you now understand a little bit of why i do. but if you dont then ill leave you with this when he was in school he told me that no matter what i should stay in school because without it you will go no where he told me to stay away from drugs because they will only hurt me and he taugh me to be the better person that i am today. i kno that he made choices against what he KNEW was right and they were VERY VERY wrong. but he helped me out in life and that is why i am trying to help him. i love him and i am hoping he finds what he needs to put his life back togeher after this. thank you and again i am sorry. Love Patti
Posted by: - Patti - at May 27, 2003 05:10 PM
Patti, it should clue you in that if the prisoners in JAIL beat him up, he is scum. However, you choose not to be clued in. So I hope he doesn't do the same thing to you one day that he did to those poor defenseless animals who are now dead.
defenseless
adj 1: lacking protection or support; "a defenseless child" [syn: defenceless] 2: having no protecting or concealing cover; "naked to mine enemies"- Shakespeare [syn: naked] 3: lacking weapons for self-defense [syn: defenceless] adv : without defense; "the child was standing in the middle of the crossfire, defenselessly" [syn: defencelessly]
Posted by: Maria at May 27, 2003 08:12 PM
Let me predict Patti's future here:
In three years or so, she will be on Jerry Springer, telling the story of how she came to be a serial killer's wife. She will say something like "I know he killed ten hookers, but he is just an amazing person. If only you knew him like I do."
Posted by: michele at May 27, 2003 08:22 PM
i have been friends with Matt mercuro for over 10 years. i relly pisses me off that peolple keep saying shit about him that don't even know him. If you knew him you say that he was a really good kid that made a mistake. the mistake was bad and will scar him for his entire life. Don't judge him if you don't him . Everybody in Waretown who knows him can't believe he would do this. His parent's are really good people, for that matter so his entire family. he is not scum bag for a scum bag family. He has a gorgeous house and he is very intelligent. He made one mistake that's it. to all of you on this site that riducule people who defend matt,matt and tommy think back and ask yourselves what kind of friends you are. You would turn your back on someone you have known for years over a bunch of fuckin birds. That is bullshit. so for now i ask you to please leave them the fuck alone. oyu don't know them at all. i think you are all losers who talk about people you don't even know.
Posted by: brian at May 27, 2003 08:41 PM
Kate, I hate to tell you, but when you make a hobby out of posting the daily goings-on of your very boring central jersey life, you leave yourself open to becoming host to a debate over bird killers. Hope you understand my perspective...more to the point, I would like to discuss these young men who cruelly snuffed the lives of living creatures...As human beings, we are separated from the animals by having the ability to reason, and most importantly, to show compassion. It is why at this time I ask you and the people who post on your "blog" to ask yourselves a question...from what experiences do these young men come from? We have heard that at least two of them are decent, loving human beings. Or is that what their loved ones want us to believe? I know quite factually that at least one of them has never known more love in his life than a junk-yard dog. That young man has no concept of his own value; no one ever showed him he was worth anything. In no way does this excuse what he did, it is reprehensible. However, incidents like this do not occur in isolation...What's done is done...the question now is "where do we go from here?"
Posted by: jk at May 27, 2003 09:46 PM
Let me repeat what Kate said:
"Not only is he accused of killing these birds at the zoo, he also has charges against him for:
setting fire to a wood shed and golf cart,
spray painting swastikas on a paint ball business, shattering windows at a Roman Catholic church AND the killing of a domestic goose at Wells Mills Park in Waretown."
Yep, sounds like a charming young man to me. How could I have misjudged him like that?
Posted by: michele at May 27, 2003 10:46 PM
i totally agree with brian. how can u judge people who you dont even kno? its funny how you people seem to play it as you live the perfect lives and you would turn your back on you "friend, husband, mother, brother...ect" if they killed the emu's. but no because you dont know them you have to talk a whole bunch of shit about them, they have pretty much ruined a part of there lives.. cant you just leave them alone?? i mean half of you people didnt even kno the pop corn park zoo existed.. so maybe you should think about what you are sayin about these boys. i truly think that they will over come from this and be better men. so stop talking shit and Leave Matt Ronneberg along he is a good person and I LOVE HIM and you guys can stop sayin that "you feel bad that i love him" because i am SO happy taht i kno and love him. THANK YOU BRIAN FOR SEEING THE TRUTH TOO! they are amazing people who made mistakes.. which we all will in our lives.. maybe not as big as the one they made but we still will make them, so stop hating on these boys get a new hobbie and leave my matt alone.
Posted by: Patti at May 27, 2003 11:49 PM
Patti:
What you don't seem to want to see is that people don't just "make one mistake" and wind up trashing property, killing animals, and spraypainting Nazi symbols.
The facts speak for themselves here, and no amount of "but you don't even know him" is going to change the fact that normal, good, well-adjusted people simply don't make this sort of "mistake."
It is possible to draw conclusions based on facts, and the fact that you don't seem to be able to do this (not to mention your utter lack of ability to spell words like "know" correctly) make me weep for the state of our educational systems, moral and intellectual.
And by the way, what we're doing here isn't a "hobby," it's expressing moral indignation and outrage at A) the cruelty shown by your friends, and B) your strange propensity for defending their indefensible actions.
Posted by: Rich at May 28, 2003 12:35 AM
Patti and Brian will never understand why we find the actions of those three young men to be so reprehensible.
Let's invoke Godwin's Law and end the discussion. Kate has better uses for her space than to argue with idiots.
Posted by: Da Goddess at May 28, 2003 05:22 AM
"Patti and Brian will never understand why we find the actions of those three young men to be so reprehensible." .. well u will never understand why we are defending the people whom we knoW and came to love..
Posted by: Patti at May 28, 2003 08:52 PM
I guess this is the point where the phrase "Actions speak louder than words" comes into play.
He may have seemed like a nice boy, he may have seemed very sweet and down to earth, but so did Ted Bundy.
Sorry for munging up your blog Kate, as I'm sure you'd like to move on, but I just had to put in my .02. :)
Posted by: Melissa at May 29, 2003 04:12 PM
Crap. I'm sure you're sick of getting responses on this topic, but can I just say that many serial killers get their start out by killing innocent animals. This is not myth. It is FACT.
Do I think these boys should be killed? No. But I do think that they should be made an example of. Hurting an innocent creature is wrong.
I agree with one supporter of these boys: There are baby killers that need more attention than this.
However..those birds meant something to someone. They were life. Just like I am life. You are life.
Okay, okay..so they beat to death a couple of birds, so what right? Sure. But what if their next victim is human? You have to stop this behaviour before it starts.
And I am sorry that he got beat up in prison. But if you commit a crime..you're sent to prison. You can't say they didn't know what they were doing was wrong.
No one's telling those people to stop being their friends. But you have to understand, that this is a national headline. And there are going to be enemies.
This is a personal blog. Opinions here are solely that. Opinions. Kate isn't doing any harm by stating how disgusted she is. And she's not writing these boys nasty hate notes or threatening their mothers. So leave her be.
The end.
Posted by: Rachael at May 30, 2003 05:59 AM